"PS9" (PS9)
06/12/2016 at 15:58 • Filed to: None
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"PS9" (PS9)
06/12/2016 at 15:58 • Filed to: None | 0
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My Citroen Won’t Start made me think of another question. What’s the point of having a national watchlist at the federal level if we’re not going to monitor what the people on it are doing?
El Rivinado
> PS9
06/12/2016 at 16:05 |
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Because it's feel good government legislation designed to make you believe your safer, without actually making you safer.
Sam
> PS9
06/12/2016 at 16:07 |
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But he wasn’t on a watchlist. He was investigated by the FBI on two occasions, both of which came up with nothing. We don’t need another Patriot Act. These things happen and it’s difficult to prevent them if the person is pretty much normal up until they fly off the handle.
CB
> PS9
06/12/2016 at 16:08 |
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Probably because it’s difficult to know what someone’s doing 24/7. I’ve worked with probation/parole officers who have a similar position of monitoring people, and they can’t monitor every single person all the time. Also, consider how many people are on the list, where they live, whose responsibility it is for monitoring (FBI only? Do state police or municipal police aid in the monitoring of people on national watchlists?), it becomes more complex. I don’t know exactly how the American system works, but it’s probably not simple.
Klaus Schmoll
> PS9
06/12/2016 at 16:10 |
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Makes it easier to identify them/retrace their steps AFTER THE FACT????
It’s the same thing that happened with the Paris shooters. They had them in their sights but dropped the ball. I guess shit happens, and will continue to happen. You can either hide under a blanket for the rest of your live or hope that it’s not your day today.
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Sam
> El Rivinado
06/12/2016 at 16:10 |
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Security theater, just like the TSA. I’d say that some people on the watch list are likely to be actually monitored 24/7, but it’s incredibly hard to make a call on whether that kind of monitoring is actually reasonable.
Svend
> PS9
06/12/2016 at 16:22 |
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Yet a two year old French child wasn’t allowed into the U.S. Last year because he had a similar name to someone they didn’t want getting into the U.S. Ironically they spelt the name of the actual person they didn’t want incorrectly. And even when it was flagged between French and U.S. Officials the error, etc... the child still wasn’t allowed to fly.
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Sam
> Klaus Schmoll
06/12/2016 at 16:25 |
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My guess is that there are quite a few of these events that are stopped due to monitoring. We just don’t hear about it. Retracing steps can also be helpful to find if they are part of a larger cell or something.
DipodomysDeserti
> Sam
06/12/2016 at 16:28 |
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We don't need another Patriot Act, because we still have the original one. It was renewed in 2015.
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PS9
> Svend
06/12/2016 at 16:29 |
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Well you never can tell with those dangerous two year olds. I mean, he could have been planning a biological attack on the plane. Who knows how much poopie diaper gas the FBI saved those people on the plane from? They’re doing god’s work, they are.
Hey, is there any way you can do that thing to do for cars to the government? You’re pretty good at it, and it’s clear at this point that a serious scrubbing is needed...
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DipodomysDeserti
> Svend
06/12/2016 at 16:30 |
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Last time I was coming back into the US from overseas my year old daughter was flagged for additional screening. Had to sit in the DHS line for another hour so they could try and ask a sleeping 1 year old questions while my three year old tried not to pee her pants as they didn't have a bathroom in the re entry room.
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Svend
> PS9
06/12/2016 at 16:35 |
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Unfortunately no. But then it’s partly the government’s and partly the people who elected them. It’s the same everywhere.
hike
> PS9
06/12/2016 at 16:41 |
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I don't understand how someone can go legally buy an assault rifle and it isn't immediately flagged that he is on a watch list. Or how someone can go buy an assault rifle at all.
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Svend
> DipodomysDeserti
06/12/2016 at 16:43 |
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It’s regretful that there is no cure for stupidity. You’d think they would say ‘okay Ms Beverley Johnson for additional screening’, then see that Beverley is ‘x’ years of age and use their common sense and simply sign ‘no additional screening required due to age being ‘x’ years old’. And go about their day.
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DipodomysDeserti
> Svend
06/12/2016 at 17:09 |
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It's all automated, so the computer program that decides to pick people for additional screening knows she's only a year old. You scan your passport and it gives you a receipt telling you if you have to be interviewed by a DHS agent. It's absurd.
Flyboy is FAA certified insane
> PS9
06/12/2016 at 17:10 |
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Actually I don’t believe he was on the FBI watchlist, but he was investigated by them twice. Neither time turned up substantial evidence. And since it’s not legal or ethical to assume based on religious affiliation they had to let him go. As far as I know He obtained all weapons in a legal manner by the books.
Here’s my take: Someone that intent on killing a lot of people would not have been deterred by the legality of obtaining the firearm that he wanted.
However. I do live in Daytona Beach Florida, less than an hour away from Orlando and some people here think that the gun laws as they are now are even too strict. I am not one of them. As soon as he did a background check a red flag should have been raised that was not.
Being a tournament winning Shotgun Shooter at a college level I am a proponent of the second amendment because I have to to protect the sport I love. That being said I still think anti-gun lobbyists are taking the wrong direction with the legislation. They should really focus on the people, not the guns. Forcing a smaller magazine size or whatever isn’t going to change anything because people will still get them illegally and blah blah. Instead, stricter background checks that actually work. They need to actually enforce the fact that people who’ve done bad things in the past or might do bad things in the future SHOULD NOT HAVE A GUN. That could have made a difference here.
Sorry, end rant.
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Svend
> DipodomysDeserti
06/12/2016 at 18:46 |
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Wow. That is even worse, much worse. That’s a level of a stupid person made the system and then their boss said ‘you know billy-bob, you done good’.